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	<title>Comments on: Example of the patriarchy at work?</title>
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	<description>Clinical Counsellor interested in feminist and non-violence issues.</description>
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		<title>By: Bron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do all my best thinking at bed time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do all my best thinking at bed time!</p>
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		<title>By: albi</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I totally missed your last post - but let me say firstly that I&#039;m delighted to be in your thoughts during bed time :-)

The more I think about it, the more i&#039;m convinced the points you&#039;ve made are spot on.  Probably a combination of being junior and being the only male just made the group not want the make me uncomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I totally missed your last post &#8211; but let me say firstly that I&#8217;m delighted to be in your thoughts during bed time <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The more I think about it, the more i&#8217;m convinced the points you&#8217;ve made are spot on.  Probably a combination of being junior and being the only male just made the group not want the make me uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought of something else when I went to bed last night. It could also be because you were the only male at this round-table discussion, so when it came to your turn to talk, perhaps the women subconsciously didn&#039;t want you to feel uncomfortable or unable to speak freely to a room full of women! 

I thought of social occasions where I&#039;ve gone out with a bunch of girlfriends -- and one guy (that one of the girls always drags along). Thinking about it, I now notice how we always shut up and listened politely as he spoke, perhaps as a concession to the gender imbalance, without even realising it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought of something else when I went to bed last night. It could also be because you were the only male at this round-table discussion, so when it came to your turn to talk, perhaps the women subconsciously didn&#8217;t want you to feel uncomfortable or unable to speak freely to a room full of women! </p>
<p>I thought of social occasions where I&#8217;ve gone out with a bunch of girlfriends &#8212; and one guy (that one of the girls always drags along). Thinking about it, I now notice how we always shut up and listened politely as he spoke, perhaps as a concession to the gender imbalance, without even realising it.</p>
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		<title>By: albi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bron!  You&#039;re my most loyal commentator!

As for your points; I think you may be onto something with the statement about my junior status.  They could very well be being polite and not want to intimidate me. Mmmm.  

I&#039;m quite vocal during all the other round table discussions, so I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a case of me being quiet, so they are in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bron!  You&#8217;re my most loyal commentator!</p>
<p>As for your points; I think you may be onto something with the statement about my junior status.  They could very well be being polite and not want to intimidate me. Mmmm.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite vocal during all the other round table discussions, so I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a case of me being quiet, so they are in return.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, good to see you back writing again!

And I love the fluidity of this post, including the random font change. Now that&#039;s fluid! 

As for your question at the bottom, it&#039;s hard to say, because I wouldn&#039;t think all women -- regardless of age or background -- would shut up and listen politely out of conditioning. 

Perhaps they were simply aware that you&#039;re one of the &quot;juniors&quot;, as you mention, and were trying to give you the time and space to have your say. I wonder this, because whenever I&#039;ve been in meetings, I&#039;ve noticed that staff who have been there a while tend to be more conversational, whereas with the newer staff, they are politely listened to. Whether it&#039;s to figure them out (being new-ish) or to give them the time to speak up in a room full of people who already know each other easily, I don&#039;t know. 

A question just occurred to me: were you talking yourself during the easy conversation? If not, maybe when it was your turn they noted that you&#039;d been quiet up to that point and when it was your turn to talk, they wanted to hear what the &quot;quiet bloke&quot; had to say. 

Dunno. Beats me. Could be so many possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, good to see you back writing again!</p>
<p>And I love the fluidity of this post, including the random font change. Now that&#8217;s fluid! </p>
<p>As for your question at the bottom, it&#8217;s hard to say, because I wouldn&#8217;t think all women &#8212; regardless of age or background &#8212; would shut up and listen politely out of conditioning. </p>
<p>Perhaps they were simply aware that you&#8217;re one of the &#8220;juniors&#8221;, as you mention, and were trying to give you the time and space to have your say. I wonder this, because whenever I&#8217;ve been in meetings, I&#8217;ve noticed that staff who have been there a while tend to be more conversational, whereas with the newer staff, they are politely listened to. Whether it&#8217;s to figure them out (being new-ish) or to give them the time to speak up in a room full of people who already know each other easily, I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>A question just occurred to me: were you talking yourself during the easy conversation? If not, maybe when it was your turn they noted that you&#8217;d been quiet up to that point and when it was your turn to talk, they wanted to hear what the &#8220;quiet bloke&#8221; had to say. </p>
<p>Dunno. Beats me. Could be so many possibilities.</p>
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