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	<description>Clinical Counsellor interested in feminist and non-violence issues.</description>
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		<title>By: albi</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>albi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iain, your comment proves that you haven&#039;t bothered to read the 10&#039;s of thousands of books and articles that directly contradict Pizzey&#039;s assessment.

Sure Pizzey was on the front line, but so are thousands of others whose experience is different.

When you talk about intergenerational violence, who do you think the perps are, Iain?  The ones perpetuating that actual violence? Before the early 70&#039;s domestic and family violence apparently didn&#039;t exist: of course it did, however it was merely swept under the carpet, ignored entirely, or excused as being a legitimate part of male entitlement.

Minimising male violence is wonderful appeasement to men who use power and control tactics on their families.  I&#039;ll have no part of it.

You&#039;re certainly entitled to your opinion, however, I&#039;m not going to engage in further discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain, your comment proves that you haven&#8217;t bothered to read the 10&#8217;s of thousands of books and articles that directly contradict Pizzey&#8217;s assessment.</p>
<p>Sure Pizzey was on the front line, but so are thousands of others whose experience is different.</p>
<p>When you talk about intergenerational violence, who do you think the perps are, Iain?  The ones perpetuating that actual violence? Before the early 70&#8217;s domestic and family violence apparently didn&#8217;t exist: of course it did, however it was merely swept under the carpet, ignored entirely, or excused as being a legitimate part of male entitlement.</p>
<p>Minimising male violence is wonderful appeasement to men who use power and control tactics on their families.  I&#8217;ll have no part of it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re certainly entitled to your opinion, however, I&#8217;m not going to engage in further discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Albi, agree with Terry, you can&#039;t delete your older posts!

And your writing is just fine. I suspect most bloggers and writers feel their writing is not up to scratch, but what the hell -- only way to learn and improve. 

Oh, and interesting post too. Haven&#039;t got anything to add, mainly cos I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Albi, agree with Terry, you can&#8217;t delete your older posts!</p>
<p>And your writing is just fine. I suspect most bloggers and writers feel their writing is not up to scratch, but what the hell &#8212; only way to learn and improve. </p>
<p>Oh, and interesting post too. Haven&#8217;t got anything to add, mainly cos I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: albi</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>albi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iain, violence is intergenerational which means that people are often attracted to their past.  In other words, if a woman is bashed by her father, the chances are that she&#039;ll end up dysfunctional and being attracted to abusive men.  This is exactly what Pizzy meant when she said that &#039;women who took refuge had a personality such that they sought abusive relationships&#039;  This is blaming the victim - don&#039;t you see that?  Unfortunately, Pizzey had little or no understanding of the intergenerational nature of violence.

If you&#039;re actually interested in learning about this issue, I&#039;d suggest that you refer to xyonline which has a link in my sidebar.  Also reading about young&#039;s schema therapy might empower you with some skills to allow you to look beyond any ideological impairments you (actually all of us) have.  

Take care,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain, violence is intergenerational which means that people are often attracted to their past.  In other words, if a woman is bashed by her father, the chances are that she&#8217;ll end up dysfunctional and being attracted to abusive men.  This is exactly what Pizzy meant when she said that &#8216;women who took refuge had a personality such that they sought abusive relationships&#8217;  This is blaming the victim &#8211; don&#8217;t you see that?  Unfortunately, Pizzey had little or no understanding of the intergenerational nature of violence.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re actually interested in learning about this issue, I&#8217;d suggest that you refer to xyonline which has a link in my sidebar.  Also reading about young&#8217;s schema therapy might empower you with some skills to allow you to look beyond any ideological impairments you (actually all of us) have.  </p>
<p>Take care,</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Hall</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you fro finally allowing my comment out of moderation Alby. Now I don&#039;t know if you moderate all of you comment but I expect that I will find out when I press &quot;submit&quot; the best setting to have your comments on is the one that requires that commentators to have had their first comment approved but allows free commenting subsequently.

You say that you are familiar whit Pizzey&#039;s shtick but have you actually read her treatise on domestic violence that I link to in my first comment? It is not that long but very illuminating when it comes to the relationship dynamics that feed domestic violence.Her analysis is by no means out of date or passed its use by date. 
I suspect that you have only given my blog the most cursory read because if you had explored it in depth you would find that I am saying nothing that is incompatible notions of gender equality, justice for all. But my objection to the feminist perspective on domestic violence is that they insist that men and their nature are the entirety of the problem and their solution is to try to make men more like women. When in so many cases the problem is much more about the toxic dynamic with in some couples rather than just being about &quot;violent&quot; men.

I suggest that you actually read  Pizzey&#039;s &quot;Prone to violence&quot; and then get back to me. It will open your eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you fro finally allowing my comment out of moderation Alby. Now I don&#8217;t know if you moderate all of you comment but I expect that I will find out when I press &#8220;submit&#8221; the best setting to have your comments on is the one that requires that commentators to have had their first comment approved but allows free commenting subsequently.</p>
<p>You say that you are familiar whit Pizzey&#8217;s shtick but have you actually read her treatise on domestic violence that I link to in my first comment? It is not that long but very illuminating when it comes to the relationship dynamics that feed domestic violence.Her analysis is by no means out of date or passed its use by date.<br />
I suspect that you have only given my blog the most cursory read because if you had explored it in depth you would find that I am saying nothing that is incompatible notions of gender equality, justice for all. But my objection to the feminist perspective on domestic violence is that they insist that men and their nature are the entirety of the problem and their solution is to try to make men more like women. When in so many cases the problem is much more about the toxic dynamic with in some couples rather than just being about &#8220;violent&#8221; men.</p>
<p>I suggest that you actually read  Pizzey&#8217;s &#8220;Prone to violence&#8221; and then get back to me. It will open your eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: bluestherapy</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>bluestherapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Iain,

Sincere apologies for your comment being in moderation for so long.  I have little understanding of wordpress, and the email address notifying me of your comment is one I rarely use. 

In regards to your comments I have the following to say.

I&#039;m well familiar with Pizzy&#039;s shtick. She had much to say about a particular group of workers in domestic violence shelters encouraging their clients to leave their male partners.  Her work is interesting, but refers to a snapshot in the history of feminism that is no longer relevant. It&#039;s also worth noting the Pizzy is a second wave feminist and would, assuming that your blog is indicative of your ideology, be very much opposed to you putting her forward as demonstrative of your anti-feminist point of view.

In regards to your contentions about feminists spouting Marxist ideology guiding my opinions.  This is bizarre.  My opinions are based solely on demonstrable phenomenons, being police reports, homicide statistics and first hand reports.  They are all freely available to anyone genuinely interested in opposing male violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Iain,</p>
<p>Sincere apologies for your comment being in moderation for so long.  I have little understanding of wordpress, and the email address notifying me of your comment is one I rarely use. </p>
<p>In regards to your comments I have the following to say.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well familiar with Pizzy&#8217;s shtick. She had much to say about a particular group of workers in domestic violence shelters encouraging their clients to leave their male partners.  Her work is interesting, but refers to a snapshot in the history of feminism that is no longer relevant. It&#8217;s also worth noting the Pizzy is a second wave feminist and would, assuming that your blog is indicative of your ideology, be very much opposed to you putting her forward as demonstrative of your anti-feminist point of view.</p>
<p>In regards to your contentions about feminists spouting Marxist ideology guiding my opinions.  This is bizarre.  My opinions are based solely on demonstrable phenomenons, being police reports, homicide statistics and first hand reports.  They are all freely available to anyone genuinely interested in opposing male violence.</p>
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		<title>By: albi</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>albi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, that&#039;s very kind, Terry.

I just find it difficult to stay focussed on producing decent posts.

I&#039;ll put the others back on.

Thanks for that.

PS - although a rarely comment, your site is on my must read list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that&#8217;s very kind, Terry.</p>
<p>I just find it difficult to stay focussed on producing decent posts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put the others back on.</p>
<p>Thanks for that.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; although a rarely comment, your site is on my must read list.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no Albi.
Don&#039;t take off your previous posts, they were more than worthy of public display. I think you&#039;re being a bit harsh on yourself and what few posts you had were great. I&#039;m sure those who had read them thought so too.

You just need to keep adding new posts and as people stumble across them, they might want to go back and read other articles you have written.

You started what I thought was going to be one of the better blogs. Don&#039;t stop now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no Albi.<br />
Don&#8217;t take off your previous posts, they were more than worthy of public display. I think you&#8217;re being a bit harsh on yourself and what few posts you had were great. I&#8217;m sure those who had read them thought so too.</p>
<p>You just need to keep adding new posts and as people stumble across them, they might want to go back and read other articles you have written.</p>
<p>You started what I thought was going to be one of the better blogs. Don&#8217;t stop now.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Hall</title>
		<link>http://bluestherapy.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/join-me-men-for-feminism-and-non-violence/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know mate, but i can&#039;t help thinking that you could do with reading some of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sossandra.org/author/erin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Erin Pizzey&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; excellent writing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bennett.com/ptv/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on the topic of domestic violence&lt;/a&gt;. For while I, like you, decry domestic violence, I suspect that you are believing far to much of the Misandry sprouted by feminists too imbued with Marxist ideology.
And where does the recent upsurge of female violence in general sit with your contention that violence is a particularly male trait?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know mate, but i can&#8217;t help thinking that you could do with reading some of <a href="http://www.sossandra.org/author/erin/" rel="nofollow">Erin Pizzey&#8217;s</a> excellent writing <a href="http://www.bennett.com/ptv/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">on the topic of domestic violence</a>. For while I, like you, decry domestic violence, I suspect that you are believing far to much of the Misandry sprouted by feminists too imbued with Marxist ideology.<br />
And where does the recent upsurge of female violence in general sit with your contention that violence is a particularly male trait?</p>
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